Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 23/12/2009 22:14:36

Saying that 0.0 is supposed to be cold and hard while at the same time knowing fully well that a cloaked red in hostile territory is 100% safe is laughable. A cloaker can safely even go take a nap while everyone else in system maintains their defenses up waiting for an attack that may or may not come.

Why is this cold harsh universe only appling to your enemies and not yourself?

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Originally by: Clone 231B

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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The cloaker took his risk travelling into system, sitting there cloaked is his reward.

Now if we did get rid of local in 0.0 then the cloaker is either going to be near a 'useful' celestial to get a kill or is going to uncloak to gather intel; both options suggest to me that there would be a counter... so lets get rid of local.

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What about the players who risked everything to travel to the system, to build infrastructure in the system, and to defend the system? It seems that having AFK cloakers is thier punishment for putting for 100 times more effort than the cloaker.

Oh, and local is 100% equality defined. Everyone can use it to the same effect. There is no bias there. To remove local without supplanting it with a useful intelligence gather mechanism *that does require 10 clicks per minute* would only serve to really kill any 0.0 industry.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Saying that 0.0 is supposed to be cold and hard while at the same time knowing fully well that a cloaked red in hostile territory is 100% safe is laughable. A cloaker can safely even go take a nap while everyone else in system maintains their defenses up waiting for an attack that may or may not come.

Why is this cold harsh universe only appling to your enemies and not yourself?

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Tell me: have you ever solo aggressed someone with 80 friends in local? Let me just say that it's generally a tense experience.

-Liang

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Nice evasion there. What idiot cloaker is going to engage 80+ unfriendlies at the same time?

He'll pick off targets of his own ALWAYS HAVING THE ADVANTAGE TO ENGAGE OR NOT. ALWAYS BEING SAFE. The cloaker DECIDES 100% WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHO, WHAT. ALWAYS. The cloaker has absolutely NO RISK to himself. PERIOD.

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Originally by: chrisss0r

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yeah because not beeing able to do **** for a few days straight is SO AWESOME

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Yes, because cloakers have always be at their screens 24/7. You didn't know? This is a pointless conversation when you don't even understand what the argument is about (or pretending you don't know).

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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

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Yes, if they're AFK they are no threat. Now keep thinking... You'll eventually get there hopefully.

Fake edit: On second thought, I think you already know what the problem with your logic is :) There is no way your brain just stops working at "if they're AFK then they're no threat, end of."

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Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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Originally by: Xeronn

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Originally by: Johan Sabbat

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Originally by: Xeronn

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No it isnt . The nature of eve is the fact that anyone can actively attack (yes yes good old guns) anyone else anywhere anytime (not counting doked people in empire for obvious reasons)

As far as 0.0 is concerned the only exception is cloaking

I know verywell they are metagaming or as u put it "fight to disrupt morale" . That`s still broken. Why? because there is no ****in counter to it . No "beeing ready" doesnt count . You still have to explain to me HOW someone is suposed to fight a cloaker . If your answer is still "ignore him"

I`ll repeat : you make an argument that can be used then to ask for any other form of "instant invulnerability" . Tell me , would you be so eager to defend , say , the future implementation of unprobable missions in order to counter cloakers? Of "instanced belts" maybe? In essence they are the same thing : A form of taking an action that may affect others in some way without giving the "others" any mean of countering your action except "beeing ready" for you

Dont preach to me about morale warfare and crap like that , know what? atm one of my alts is on his way to cloak in an enemy upgraded plexing system. Why? cause probably i wont be playing much eve this christmas , and i definately wont have any use for my industry/probing alt...but doesnt cost me anything to let EvE on and even launch combat probes out whenever i`m at the pc for a minute or two.

Now if i can get 4-5 more "afk alts" in there with me to do the same , is your educated opinion that we`ll distrupt the enemy `s PvE at least to some extent? What can they do about it? nix/crap/nada . They can ignore me , yeah , after all i`m afk (if i`m alt-tabed playing my main does it count as afk cloaking?) , but i can brobe missioners if/when some friendly roaming gang comes by

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The cloaker has to first get into your system, if you can't secure your borders then that's your problem.

A cloaker is only scary if you aren't organised, face it you could rat/mission/plex is groups with pvp fits - shame you don't want to cut down your income.

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yeah right...and you are? post with main or gtfo

why would i bother with 0.0 then if i`m to cut my income to 1/2 of what i can semiafk in l4 in empire?

you actually do stuff in 0.0? you know how easy it is to catch a cloaker that wants to enter your system? guess not...well kindly **** off ...you`re just spaming nonsense i this thread .

name me a system , you organize a defense , i`ll even give you a headsup and if you stop my covops from geting in you`re good.

rat in groups?! rofl...because we all live in 0.0 so we can earn 10m/hour ...because rating is soo ****in exciting? Tell you what , why dont you go rat in group , while i mission in empire with an alt while campin your group with a recon , waiting till one of you has to log out?

amazing how all these alts come in here spewing crap about how i dont belong in 0.0 . Now i may be a crappy pvp`er but i know my 0.0

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Originally by: Xeronn

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quit talking you ignorant fool. You have no clue what this is about , you`re just spewing random nonsense . You`re trolling. Precautions? you ****in ignorant piece of **** i`ve told you 1000000 times i do take precautions , i wanna be able to take offensive action though

get this through your skull you little troll . Can you grasp that? I supose empire dwellers cant...oh well..then stay out of this thread.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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I've never seen anyone argue so long and hard for his own incompetence. On the other hand, I can't deny that you've done a good job.

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Originally by: superteds

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Has the point been made of the hilarious drawbacks having a cloak incurs? you know the whole 'you cant actually do anything scary when cloaked' bit. or the bit about just get a few intys to patrol the belts?

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Originally by: debbie harrio

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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maybe learn how to fit SBs and you find out they can kill most ratting ships without much trouble, when there are two of them it isnt even a challenge.

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You're having a giraffe though, learn to fit your ships is the answer and kill the sb's

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Originally by: Clone 231B

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AFK cloakers have these advantages:
1)100% invulnerable in hostile space

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